Live from RSAC 2025: Cyber threats, red lines and the China challenge with Rob Joyce

On this episode of Cyber Focus, host Frank Cilluffo sits down with Rob Joyce, former NSA Cybersecurity Director and longtime leader in national cyber operations, to unpack some of the most pressing cybersecurity threats facing the United States today. Recorded live at RSA, the discussion ranges from Chinese pre-positioning in critical infrastructure to the blurred lines between espionage and cyber warfare. Joyce lays out a three-pronged framework for national cyber strategy, reflects on lessons from the counterterrorism playbook, and warns about the shifting attack surface — from endpoints to network infrastructure and cloud identity. The conversation closes with a call for better coordination, clearer definitions, and a whole-of-nation approach to impose real cost on adversaries.